Comments on: Children of the Mud http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/ ... and maddest of all is to see life as it is and not as it should be. Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:06:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: regan http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-57 regan Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:01:21 +0000 http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/#comment-57 I also have been in a healthy church, am currently in a semi-healthy, and was in some terrible churches. I would have to also say that, from my perspective, God has let me down. Not that I have given up on him. Not that I demand an answer, but I do feel that I get hurt from things that God was in control of just as much as I have been from churches. And I was very grateful for being in a healthy church during the worst time of my life. I think if we take the stance that it is just between us and God, we miss out on the very thing Jesus came down here to start, the Kingdom of God. When judgment comes, it is between just us and God. But as we journey through this life we should be together. (Gal 6:1-5) I also have been in a healthy church, am currently in a semi-healthy, and was in some terrible churches.

I would have to also say that, from my perspective, God has let me down. Not that I have given up on him. Not that I demand an answer, but I do feel that I get hurt from things that God was in control of just as much as I have been from churches. And I was very grateful for being in a healthy church during the worst time of my life.

I think if we take the stance that it is just between us and God, we miss out on the very thing Jesus came down here to start, the Kingdom of God. When judgment comes, it is between just us and God. But as we journey through this life we should be together. (Gal 6:1-5)

]]> By: Jamie http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-56 Jamie Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:49:55 +0000 http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/#comment-56 And yet most generalizations are broad statements colored by our own experiences. While the body I'm a part of is far from perfect, we are doing some good things for a lot of hurting people. I would also say that any generalization you can make about the Churches of Christ is true of any other denomination as well. I am the least CofC guy out there, so I'm not just trying to stick up for them, but I know of many dynamic CofCs in other parts of the country. We can always do better, that's for sure, because there will always be hurting people... And yet most generalizations are broad statements colored by our own experiences. While the body I’m a part of is far from perfect, we are doing some good things for a lot of hurting people.

I would also say that any generalization you can make about the Churches of Christ is true of any other denomination as well. I am the least CofC guy out there, so I’m not just trying to stick up for them, but I know of many dynamic CofCs in other parts of the country.

We can always do better, that’s for sure, because there will always be hurting people…

]]> By: Russell http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-55 Russell Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:31:07 +0000 http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/#comment-55 The answer is simple, yet hard to come to grips. If you read all what Bob and Branden and other people in there positions of pain and sorrow. The bottom line is that they are trying to identify with something or someones. And that identification can only, truly be with one person. It is not yourself, your family, your community, even the church you attend or are a member. Your identification is in Jesus. There is a great book written by E.W. Kenyon "In the Light of our Redemption". There you will see what I am talking about in our Identification. And that our pain and sorrow will become of the past. FOR GOOD. I know, I to am a recovery man of the pain and sorrow inflicted from the church. And is a home church the answer...NO WAY...NOT BIBLICAL...yeah I am going on the limb... And for intimacy...having it with man kind, has faults so get use to failure, pain, heartache. But having the intimacy with God, well I know I don't have to say anything there. It is something we can have on a daily bases...I ask the question, are you? If not why, who is in the way? You? Circumstances? Other people? I don't share this as an attack on anyone. I just am tired as well, of what the church has done to good tending people, trying to be the best they can be. We just forget about the carnality we are. Enough said, write me if you would like to explore this more. The answer is simple, yet hard to come to grips. If you read all what Bob and Branden and other people in there positions of pain and sorrow. The bottom line is that they are trying to identify with something or someones. And that identification can only, truly be with one person. It is not yourself, your family, your community, even the church you attend or are a member. Your identification is in Jesus.

There is a great book written by E.W. Kenyon “In the Light of our Redemption”. There you will see what I am talking about in our Identification. And that our pain and sorrow will become of the past. FOR GOOD. I know, I to am a recovery man of the pain and sorrow inflicted from the church.

And is a home church the answer…NO WAY…NOT BIBLICAL…yeah I am going on the limb…

And for intimacy…having it with man kind, has faults so get use to failure, pain, heartache. But having the intimacy with God, well I know I don’t have to say anything there. It is something we can have on a daily bases…I ask the question, are you? If not why, who is in the way? You? Circumstances? Other people?

I don’t share this as an attack on anyone. I just am tired as well, of what the church has done to good tending people, trying to be the best they can be. We just forget about the carnality we are. Enough said, write me if you would like to explore this more.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-54 Anonymous Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:07:09 +0000 http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/#comment-54 And that might be the answer. And that might be the answer.

]]> By: Bob http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Bob Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:08:48 +0000 http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/#comment-53 It is indeed a generalization because generally it's true :). You must admit though that you are in a unique situation where you attend a house church with a small group of people (less than 20?), and therefore have a chance to maintain a greater level intimacy. It is indeed a generalization because generally it’s true :) . You must admit though that you are in a unique situation where you attend a house church with a small group of people (less than 20?), and therefore have a chance to maintain a greater level intimacy.

]]> By: Tom http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-52 Tom Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:35:13 +0000 http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/#comment-52 While rants like this are justified, because so many people like Brandon are out there, I can empathize. However, you're right... it is a horrible generalization. I don't feel this way about the church group I am with, at all. While rants like this are justified, because so many people like Brandon are out there, I can empathize. However, you’re right… it is a horrible generalization. I don’t feel this way about the church group I am with, at all.

]]> By: Bob http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-51 Bob Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:29:00 +0000 http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/#comment-51 Hey Joe, Man, that's exciting news to hear. I think our generation is being called to change the church and I cannot think of a better place to start than in urban area's. I wuold love to hear more of your ideas and the work that you are doing, so if you could keep in touch that would be great. Thanks for your prayers, we could really use them. Oh and a personal note, back in our college days you once tried to get me to eat asparagus and I said it tasted like dirt. Well, you'll be happy to note that I'm now a huge fan. Hey Joe,

Man, that’s exciting news to hear. I think our generation is being called to change the church and I cannot think of a better place to start than in urban area’s. I wuold love to hear more of your ideas and the work that you are doing, so if you could keep in touch that would be great. Thanks for your prayers, we could really use them.

Oh and a personal note, back in our college days you once tried to get me to eat asparagus and I said it tasted like dirt. Well, you’ll be happy to note that I’m now a huge fan.

]]> By: Joe Moleski http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-50 Joe Moleski Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:23:48 +0000 http://www.ifoundbob.com/2004/07/children-of-the-mud/#comment-50 I have been recently asked by Bob Girdwood to be a part of a planning comittee to help the churches of the Detroit area to become "Different" (fill in your own adjective here)... Let's face it... The Church of Christ/Christian church are one generation from extinction... most of them anyway... There are some churchs that are doing things the "Right Way"... Whatever that means... I have never been a C of C guy... I thought the church to be to legalistic and rigid... Most of the people that I knew from the various churchs were idealistic and stuck in their particular ways... It is the same way with the group I am not trying to offer what assitance I can to... They want to do things the way they want to do them because it has worked for them or that is what the people in their churches are used to... all the while, they are running with 20-50 people on a weekend service... How is that going to bring the lost to Christ...? Bob, I am sorry to hear that your marriage didn't work out... I will pray for you and your kids... I have been recently asked by Bob Girdwood to be a part of a planning comittee to help the churches of the Detroit area to become “Different” (fill in your own adjective here)…

Let’s face it… The Church of Christ/Christian church are one generation from extinction… most of them anyway… There are some churchs that are doing things the “Right Way”… Whatever that means…

I have never been a C of C guy… I thought the church to be to legalistic and rigid… Most of the people that I knew from the various churchs were idealistic and stuck in their particular ways… It is the same way with the group I am not trying to offer what assitance I can to… They want to do things the way they want to do them because it has worked for them or that is what the people in their churches are used to… all the while, they are running with 20-50 people on a weekend service… How is that going to bring the lost to Christ…?

Bob, I am sorry to hear that your marriage didn’t work out… I will pray for you and your kids…

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